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hi all. reading through a lot of posts, I keep seeing over and over, that loosing a child is the worst. I cant really comment on that as apart from my son I havnt lost any one of any great importance . my mother is still alive and lives around the corner. my dad disappeared years ago . he could be dead. wouldn’t have a clue. my wife has lost both parents and often tells me that its nowhere near as bad as loosing a child. so I have to go along with what everyone else says on the matter.
all I do know, when I lost my son. its the single most terrible thing ive ever had to deal with. their isn’t really anything that describes how bad it is. I feel ive been on a journey to the very bottom. at times the darkness shrouds you to the point you think their will never be a way back to the light again. the pain is so intense it plays tricks with your mind. one minute you can be fine then out of the blue it completely floors you . you can be in the middle of doing something and suddenly you feel terrified or lost,
in the beginning actually believing they have gone really takes some convincing. one minute they are there and the next they have gone. you can recall their final day down to the tiniest detail… going over and over in your mind you tell yourself, well they cant be dead, I only spoke to them last night. or yesterday. . or they were due to call round today. how can they be dead. its the shock of having them snatched away from you. you were,nt ready. you would never be ready. its such a blow to your system that it hits you so hard, that you will never be the same again. when they went, so did you. the you that used to be. when your child is taken . from that moment you become someone else. I’m a lot further on than a lot of people on this site. but I,m a different person than i once was.

everyone on this site is looking for answers or rationality. there is,nt any. I look at it like this. its a double blow. the first bit is the loss of your child and trying to process that information. trying to come to terms with missing them. the second bit is . how you have changed, how it has affected you. how everything around you is exactly the same. but through your eyes its different. without realizing it you analyse every aspect of your life. what people say to you ! how you conduct yourself. how you treat others around you, how they treat you. suddenly you don’t want to do all the things you have always done. theres no point to anything anymore. about 6 months after my son died we went on a pre-booked holiday to the canaries. we went with another couple . they were trying their best to enjoy the holiday. I could,nt think of anywhere worse to be. the whole island enjoying themselves and theres me. just wanting to curl up and die. when everyone else was asleep I would sit out on the balcony all night. of coarse everything was as normal as can be. it was actually just me and the frame of mind I was in but at the time you are telling yourself, how dare these people be enjoying themselves, do they not no my son is dead. what the hell is wrong with them. I can think of a million other occasions that were just wrong!!!

your mind is completely out of sync with everything and everybody. but over time you start to align again. everything falls back into sequence. all your ducks are in a row again, apart from just one. you learn to think straight again . you can conduct yourself in a reasonable manner again.

loosing a child is absolutely terrible regardless of how it happened. ive spent years looking for answers until I finally came to the conclusion there just are,nt any. when I read posts on this site and see people asking for advice on how to make it easier or is there anywhere they can go to have the grief taken away. is there some medicine they can take where you wake up and everything is how it was. ive had times where I have really struggled, especially in the beginning. you just want the world to end so the pain will go away . it does get better, people that say it does,nt get better. I think enough time has,nt past for them yet so they don’t feel its got better. don’t get me wrong, you never get over it. but the day will come when you realise you hav,nt cried that day. or you managed to jump over that hurdle that has been in your way for such a long time. couple of weeks ago I had a particularly hard time around his anniversary. but it was,nt like it was a few years ago. I remember once telling my wife, we were out shopping and I said , I have the urge to jump through a plate glass window of whatever shop we were in. or stand on a mountain and scream my lungs out. I hav,nt felt that way in such a long time. so that tells me things are better. I still get up every night in the small hours and sit in the dark thinking about my boy. sometimes it makes me cry. but it does,nt suffocate me like it used to. as corny as it sounds you have to have , hope. that’s all we have left in the end. one day you will get there. ok thanks for listening.
jim

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Oh Jim your post reminded me of the poem about learning to love with your grief and the tide on a beach.
I have learned to run back up the beach as the tide comes, I control it, it does not controlling me, I do run back up the beach as the tide comes in.
I really appreciate your post and I admire you for facing up to all the pain and heartache of losing some one special, child or other.
Keep going because one day you won’t have got up in the night. Thank you so much.
S xxx

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Thanks Jim for saying how it is and for the hope things can get better . Your posts are always so insightful. I have lost friends and dearly loved family members and yes loosing a child is on another level , your WHOLE world changes, nothing is recognisable anymore as it used to be. Thank you for your posts you always put things down so well. Jss

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Thank you Jim.
I’ve spent most of today with my ex husband sorting bits and pieces out at Andrew’s flat.
Four years ago Andrew booked himself into a rehab centre. Up until the day he went there he was struggling with a cocaine addiction. He hated himself and hated his addiction. Somehow he had always managed to hold down a good job as a gas installation engineer, he owned his own flat ( mortgaged) and had never missed any payments for anything. Someone recently said to me that he wasn’t a “typical” addict. He was loved by so many, caring, kind , funny and extremely moral. He was so honest…he used to get so angry with people dropping litter, used to chase after them and give it back to them.
Ok…I’m rambling…but I’m just trying to describe the lovely person he was even when he was at his unhappiest and most desperate.
Well…he came out of rehab and it was truly amazing. I was SO happy for him…he was happy. He started going to NA meetings, met a person who would become a really good friend…also met a girlfriend. He was warned to stay away from old friends who he might associate with his old habits.
He started a new job and life was good.
We went detecting together at every opportunity…he was offered a dog whilst working at one house and so Ash came into his life.
The girlfriend was history by now although his new mate had become a good friend and Ash had become the new love of his life.
Time went by…covid came into our lives.
Just as he started living his life to the full we all went into lockdown. Still…I lived so near to him, he still popped round and I still let Ash out whilst Andrew carried on working.
I don’t know when he started having the odd “slip up” but he told me and said I wasn’t to worry …he was still in control. Unfortunately his downfall was becoming friendly with a workmate who was taking cocaine and more than happy to provide Andrew with some. If he’d stuck to his old friends they would have made sure he NEVER touched the stuff again. They loved him enough to want him to stay happy…not fall into the dark pit he was in before rehab.
He still wanted to stop and so it seems the “lesser” evil was to take the odd prescription tablet to “chill out”. Cheaper than cocaine, less dangerous??
Until the day someone gave him some of their very strong painkillers.
So today I had a phone call from the coroner to say they had had Andrews blood and tissue results back and he had taken a prescription pain killer which had resulted in his breathing slowing down and ultimately stopping while he slept.
He just thought he could "chill “…not hurting anyone…but ended up dying.
I miss him so, so much. He wouldn’t hurt a fly yet he ended up dying by his own hand. He was so happy with his life…we had just 4 years of the “real” Andrew.
He was an addict…
Addiction is an illness…it controlled him, he just couldn’t control it. He tried so hard but in the end it won.
Now I have to live my life without this lovely man, my beautiful son, in it.
Years ago he went to the doctors and asked for help. One of our local doctors said to him " What do you want me to do?” and just gave him some leaflets. This same doctor sent me a letter when they heard Andrew had died and said how sorry they were and if I needed any help they were there for me. Too late…Andrew needed their help years ago.
Sorry to run on but I just wanted to tell a little of Andrew’s story.
Sue xxxx

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Love and hugs Jim, and thanks for being on here and helping us all.
Ann

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Thank you sue. Tell Andrews story as much as you want. No one is here to judge. I know you miss him dearly . You only need to read one of your posts to see that. In the end it matters not how they died the impact is the same regardless. I know you had an incredible relationship with him. I no what you say about addiction. You are right it is an illness. I no you are completely broken inside. You will be for a long time. There are people on here that genuinely care about you. Unlike your Andrews doctor. There is nothing I can say that will make you feel better. Just keep writing about your son. I’m quite sure he knew and he still knows how much he meant to you. Take care my friend. Jim

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Oh Sue, I am so so sorry. I know you were waiting to hear from the coroner, but that news is just so sad.
I feel I’ve got to know and respect you from being on here, and to know Andrew and Ash too. ( Yes, I’ve had dogs I’ve loved more than people.) And you were detectorists! Katherine introduced me to that prog, it was one of her favourites and I loved it.
So sending love to you, and hugs. Wish they were real ones.
Be brave, Ann xx

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Thank you Jim.
It means so much to be able to share with everyone. We’re all here for the same heartbreaking reason…we all loved our children unconditionally.
Love Sue xxxxx

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Thank you Ann,
I feel I’ve got to know you too. This site is such a wonderful lifeline and you and all the others are amazing!
Thank you for listening and sharing.
Love and hugs Sue xxxxx

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Hi sue. I think there is a strange kind of comfort to be had by reading others stories. This is a great forum to get things of your chest and people here are genuine and ready to listen unlike the people who pretend to care, like doctors or fair weather friends. :+1:

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Hi Sue - my daughters story sounds a little bit like your Andrew. It was my worst nightmare come true when she died, tragically. We are expecting a long wait for toxicology. I just wanted to say I wish you better days and some peace. It’s 4 months for me, my whole life upturned in a moment and my girl gone. It still feels unbelievable on some days but all too true most of the time. X

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Lovely photo sue , my heart goes out to you, addiction can be so cruel and complicated. Andrew sounds a lovely kind caring young man, I think life can be so hard and sometimes we all need just something to help get us through especially if you are a sensitive individual. He did so well going to rehab you must have been so proud of him and so good to get him back. It is lovely you had such a close relationship and he knew you were always there for him and would always support him . So sorry for your pain and that there was not a happy ending after him being so brave and doing so well working so hard to fight the awful illness that can be a relentless addiction. I think Covid put that bit of extra pressure on everyone the last two years as well . I hope having Ash gives you a little comfort and the good memories of the last 4 years . Love jss xx

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Oh Nell,
It’s so unfair isn’t it. They had their whole lives ahead of them.
The coroner told me it could take up to 15 weeks to get the results of Andrew’s blood and tissue samples so just under 10 weeks was earlier than I expected.
One consolation is that Andrew almost certainly passed away in his sleep without knowing anything.
I was also desperately frightened that when I found him I might have done something to make things worse. I had to pull him off his bed on to the floor to do CPR and his bed is quite a high divan. I was convinced they were going to say that he died from either a broken neck or brain hemorrhage and it would have been my fault. I’ve been waking up everyday and throughout the nights so afraid of hearing the results. Of course everyone had been telling me not to be so silly but I was the one who found him so I just thought I should have been able to save him and the thought that I could have hurt him was unbearable.
I hope you don’t have to wait too long Nell.
Love and hugs…Sue xxxx

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Thank you jss…they’re very kind words.
Andrew’s dad now has Ash but I still see him so it’s a real comfort to know he’s happy and well loved.
Love Sue xxxxx

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Sue it’s like a nightmare isn’t it , I also had to do CPR on my son and feel so guilty I did not do it properly although the dr said very few survive CPR anyway, It’s an image I can’t get out of my head. We are their mothers and feel we should be able to keep them safe , does not matter how old they are they are always our babies, that’s how I feel anyway. Xx jss

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I understand what you went through Sue. I had to pull my girl off the bed onto the floor. We had been in to check her about 10 mins earlier, she seemed fine but asleep. It was a tragedy for our children for you and for me and for any parent to be unable to save their own son or daughter. It wasn’t really anybodys fault, but that doesn’t help them or us. I think guilt is there when anybody we love dies. No one has a perfect life where all goes well all the time. So when awful things happen and we lose our most loved we look to see where we were wrong. We are just normal human beings who loved our child. But we aren’t to blame that they died. They knew we loved them. We aren’t super humans and we can’t watch our adult children 24/7. We can’t make their decisions for them. After all you’ve been through you deserve some peace. Beating ourselves up is what we tend to do, but in the end I know I have to find a place to forgive myself for not being a perfect mum. I think there aren’t any perfect mums. There aren’t any perfect kids or adults. No one gets it right 100% of the time. The depth of our grief shows how much we loved them. We can still love them, that won’t stop. As I can, I take the tiny baby steps to begin to restore myself not to how it was, but to a place where, eventually I hope to lead some sort of meaningful life. I do believe that some time in the future we can laugh and even think of our own well being. We are still here and we didn’t choose what happened. It’s a tragedy and a waste of a life. But it’s happened and somehow we will learn a new way to be. I do believe that the waves of fear will at least recede some of the time. I think all the denial, all the what ifs, should haves are sadly normal when we lose someone in such a sudden and traumatic way. It’s a long journey and a tough path but it is possible to survive. Not the way we want it to be but in the end how it is. It won’t be quick and we won’t wake up one morning feeling ‘normal’ but we can feel better than we do now. Slowly, slowly. Xxx

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Thanks for that post Jim it gives me so much hope and is sooo comforting. :heart:

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Sue, Nell, Jss
You have said it all really, all the thoughts and feelings we all share, I can’t add anything, just wishing I could help but knowing I can’t, as it was with our children, but sending you loving thoughts and hopes for some light to shine sometime, eventually. Ann :heart: xxx

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